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| Can he trace the official show? Yes! As long as he doesn't sell the work... oh wait... |
Drawponies was running his usual livestream on Picarto when an observant fan noticed he was tracing Cadence directly from a show screenshot. His fans on his Facebook group took notice and immediately started buzzing about it.
Drawponies isn't just any pony artist; He's one of the most successful and well-traveled vendors in the fandom, with plans for over 20 pony, comic, and anime conventions in 2015 alone, and makes enough money off his business, he makes a fulltime income off of it. Drawponies also has turned his artist name into a company of sorts; he needs an artist team to complete all his commissions and help him trace all his artwork.
Because, you know, art is no longer an expression of creativity and should be completely commoditized and commercialized while you stomp your quiet, honest, and genuine competition with loud, aggressive marketing and at this point, unfair tracing advantage that is an insult to the rest of the communities' artists who actually practice and train their craft and skills.
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| We can already spot a few prints and products that were definitely traced |
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| So much obnoxious branding |
However, even for how obviously traced a lot of his work appears to be, there can always be the argument played he's just got really good at emulating the show style. That is, until, he was caught red-hoofted by his own fanclub, who had an angry thread filled with shock and anguish from Neil's fans upon learning their artist was a fake, before devolving into a self-promotion thread by artists who will never be as popular as our favorite tracer (stay butthurt!). Unsurprisingly, the thread has been deleted from his Facebook club, but we have a backup of the whole conversation before it was censored by Neil's PR team.
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| He needs a team of... 20 moderators to patrol his Facebook page? Wait... 20 head moderators. Does that mean there's more? Jesus, that's more moderators than EqD and HN have actual writers combined. What the hell of an operation is Drawponies even running? |
Now, we wanted to see if this was like, for real, and not just some guy talking shit on Facebook, so we investigated and took a look at Drawponies' Deviant Art for if we could find any examples of finished products that had tracing. Specifically, anything that had an iconic pose we could easily trace back. Like this "The Mane 6 React to Socks" comic. And... well... the results were pretty telling.
Hmm... but it doesn't seem he's selling the comics? Well, lets see if he's vending anything that gets traced. (EDIT 4/19/2015 9:41PM: Actually, these comics are funded via Patreon, so yes, Drawponies is actually making money off these comics too.)
How about that $150 blanket Drawponies sells at conventions (as shown in his vending booth picture from above)
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| Ah, there we go, we have proof he's selling his traces |
Our eyes don't lie, I think we've proven he doesn't just trace, but he also sells products that contain his traces.
(EDIT 10:50PM) We have a user-submitted more proof of tracing! Thanks, Anon-in-the-comments! Link to this traced artwork is here.
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| Fo real? |
Given how seriously Hasbro has taken other scandals of artist and animators counterfeiting Hasbro intellectual property, we cannot be surprised if the 'Bro takes action against Neil's high-revenue business. After all, they did destroy fan animators who used the leak assets (not even for profit!); Hasbro takes their IP seriously.
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| Looks like someone, with the backing of 17 folks, is already on it |
NICE TRY, NEIL!
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| Following this link returns you to the Patreon homepage... its removed! |
According to the person who originally sent us this information, the Drawponies facebook group “ have been banning people asking questions about this, and removing posts, trying to turn the entire thing into a cover-up.”
Edit 6:35 PM We now have a screenshot about Neil's "Apology" in reaction to the tracing scandal posted earlier in his private facebook group. We see it does not address the tracing issue. What an amazing PR job.
Edit 7:44PM
We have this comment from a puported "member of Drawponies" we have saved, mirrored, and are displaying here since the option for commenters to delete their own comments exists and its possible the Drawponies team might force him to remove the comment if it ends up incriminating him further. Such as the claim that "Yes, it's true that Neil traces over elements".
Edit 9:32PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20140726001131/http://www.patreon.com/drawponies
Proof that these patreons are one-in-the-same, and originally bore Drawponies name as the header.
Secondary evidence includes the similar patron numbers. The Google Cache shows 47 patrons giving $318 a week, the new patreon link shows 46 patrons giving $308 a week. This, along with the web-archive link, gives us overwhelming evidence that "Adapting To Night" is indeed a Drawponies enterprise. Don't believe the damage-control naysayer!
Hmmm... so he's calling his damage control "Adapting" then. We wonder why he's changed it too; perhaps to evade folks reporting his patreon?
Also, upon going through the Drawponies patron, we've learned that while Drawponies doesnt sell comics, per se, they run a patreon to fund their comic operation which is almost entirely traced.
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| Leekfish has nothing to do with this article but since we know she's reading this, we had to stick it in somewhere to piss off ItsThinking78. |
People actually couldn't tell he traced?
ReplyDeletelol, no kidding. With artists who go for show accuracy, you can usually tell whether they actually bothered to learn the show's style for themselves - even though they fairly accurately replicate the show's style, there's always a few subtle hints of their own personal flavor to be found, so it's never quite 100% show-accurate. With tracers, there's no such personal flair. Literally all Drawponies does to distinguish "his style" from the screencaps he traces is use black outlines.
DeleteMore like it never occurred to anyone to think that. A lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt because they felt that "If he was tracing, he would've been caught by now, like most two-bit art thieves on DeviantArt."
DeleteIts been discussed and rumoured forever, it wasn't until now concrete proof finally emerged aside from image imposition. But vendors and artists have been circulating these rumours for over a year now.
DeleteOh the brony tears for this is delicious. Not as delicious over Derpygate or Twilicorn, but still tasty. Keep crying.
DeleteAs someone who is a beginning artist who is actually learning he can go fuck himself and he deserves everything he gets. My art looks like shit but at least I actually draw it.
ReplyDelete"[...] before devolving into a self-promotion thread by artists who will never be as popular as our favorite tracer (stay butthurt!)"
DeleteDid you actually read the article, or are you as good with literacy as you are with art?
How is he promoting himself without providing any information about himself lel
Delete>how is he promoting himself
Delete>name comment with a link to his dumblr
nice try emdefmek but the rest of the world isn't as retarded as you
You're learning? You could have fooled me, 'cause you've never gotten any better.
DeleteHe's got a point tho. "My art looks like shit but at least I actually draw it." is what everyone is basically saying.
DeleteI've passed by booths like this several times. I always thought people just didn't care about the tracing, and that me saying something would get me in hot water, lol.
ReplyDeleteand thats why we have horse news and snowdenpony!
DeleteI'm surprised it took 2 years for people to notice and say something. It's quite obvious...It's kinda sad that people now know that they forked out loads of money to support an obvious thief who is probably now in hiding :/
ReplyDeleteTHAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THINK!
DeleteSo much drama. It makes me love this fandom even more.
ReplyDeleteThere is a big difference between anecdotal proof or just looking with our goddamn eyes and having actual actionable proof handed over by his own fans.
ReplyDeleteLooks like this ponies card..
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..has been drawn.
YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
DeleteBoooooooooooooo
DeleteYou mean "has been traced"
Delete:P
And he would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and that stupid stream.
ReplyDeleteaha 'if it weren't for those meddling kids' XD
DeletePull the mask off and who do we find??? Scrappy "Doo"! Dastardly!
DeleteI notice this site makes a big deal about him tracing for his comics. But if you would actually compare the styles of his comics, which are not sold for profit and are simply there for entertainment, to the art styles of his prints, which are sold for profit and are available on his page to compare, there's a marked difference.
ReplyDeleteBecause maybe if people looked into it a little more instead of screaming "he traces for his comics, therefore he must trace for all his art! OMG!" we might actually learn something.
They already actually made a comparison with the blanket he sells at conventions for like $100 or so
DeleteDPIDF please go
DeleteMeanwhile, actual artists continue their diet of ramen and tears
ReplyDeleteAnd water is wet.
ReplyDeleteI don't buy his stuff, I just read his comics, so honestly, I couldn't give less of a fuck if he traces. I guess if I was actually buying stuff I might have a problem with it.
ReplyDeleteBy "redrawing" it's a safe bet that he meant "retracing in a different pose".
ReplyDeleteIf there is a time for a C&D, this would be it.
ReplyDeleteThis is great. Anti sjw bronies now going after other anti sjw bronies. Keep eating each other up, bronies. Do whatever it takes to kill off your shit fandom.
ReplyDeleteComments closed when????????????
hear here, the only true /mlp/ is 8chan's /mlp/! Because it's also the pony board for Rule34 and Octabooru, two best pony archive sites on the internet!
DeleteTo all those defending him, ask yourselves this question: how does it feel defending someone that knowingly would dupe so many honest hard working people that more than likely have jobs IRL out of potentially thousands of dollars, never given to charity we should note, but put into his own pockets because he doesn't have a job IRL and isn't talented enough to come up with his own art, so makes a living off of tracing artwork that was never copyrighted to him in the first place. I've seen his DA, Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, etc. (why does he have so many online accounts btw? Can someone say "attention whore"?) and the only things he's good at is self-promoting bullshit. There are literally hundreds of examples in his prints, posters, comics, and almost anything he touches having tracing in it, most of the backgrounds are even pulled directly from the show. I could pull up one of his anything and find the very similar piece, usually from the show, where he stole it from. He's been offline for some time now, so maybe Neil's in hiding and is posting from other accounts to try and cover this all up, defending himself anonymously?
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DeletePurpleSmartFan, have you ever seen some of his original artwork?
DeleteIt is true that many, if not most, of DP's past and current pieces are original and untraced; however, given the amount of traces present in comics, commissions, and vended goods, he's compromised his entire artist reputation. "Once a cheater, always a cheater".
DeleteSince we've posted the article, the floodgates have opened up and we've recieved submissions about 'cheated' commissions and more unethical art dealings.
why focus on him I could think of others that are far worse then he is with lying about there "work"
DeleteHi. A friend of mine linked me this post, and once I read through it...
ReplyDeleteI'm a member of DrawPonies myself, so I know the inside information about it. No, I'm not writing this post as a "company's defense", but as to try and clarify some information written.
The "team of artists" that you are referring to, is actually just two. Neil is the one that does most of the commissions, while Gray draws the comics. Yes, it's true that Neil traces over elements, but it's not done all the time.
Yes, it's true we have lots of moderators. We, as the content creators, hardly have the time to manage our fanbase on our own, which means that we need the assistance of others.
Bottom line, this news article is exaggerating the situation, and it's hardly accurate in most of it's text. Please, if you're going to write a news article about it, at least hear the other side of the situation first?
*damage control*
DeleteThanks, we have included a undeletable backup of your statement in the article.
DeleteHave any of you guys seen his original artwork, though? I've seen what he can do from scratch WITHOUT any references, firsthand.
Deletehttp://sta.sh/0snld0uo8y4 This is a drawing of his, WITHOUT references, tracing, etc.
Akari Akaza, can I please have communication with you in private? No, I'm not requesting the comment to be deleted, for your information.
Delete"Yes, it's true that Neil traces over elements, but it's not done all the time."
DeleteThat doesn't matter. Tracing is artistic lying. Why should we believe you and him now? Because you say you're telling the truth this time?
And If he does such great original work, why can't he just do that and stop tracing? The only thing stopping him from going legit is that he makes too much money cheating. I find you trying to excuse his dishonesty insulting to real artists who make original work.
I will say this, he is a capable artist. He has the ability to draw, and very well at times.
DeleteIts the heavy marketing mixed with some items being sold that are traced. This is what the major problem is. Still if he recovers from this and just sticks to making his own work without any traced elements, I think things will be alright.
If you have something to discuss with us and nothing to hide, you should be able to converse with us publically in these comments.
DeleteAlright, I will say it out to the public in that case.
DeleteThis comment that you screenshotted, may I ask why it was edited? That was not what I wrote, and I would like the screenshot to show exactly what I had.
And, could I please ask for this article to be a little less...aggressive, if you know what I mean?
It was not edited at all, I've read between our screenshot and your comment a few lines above and it is the exact same.
DeleteI'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing that. I know what I commented.
DeleteI was emphasizing when he does NOT trace, which is most of the time he draws.
What exactly did they edit here? I read through your comment, and the screenshot and compared them side by side. They're exactly the same
DeleteYour complaints about a user/editor/administrator of Horse News editing your comment are completely false. Even Administrators cannot edit Anonymous/User comments on Blogger.
DeletePlease bait somewhere else.
he used to do his own, and would draw by hand, then scan it in before getting a tablet. he really did used to do his own version....then went to tracing....its sad...
ReplyDelete"Yes, it's true that Neil traces over elements, but it's not done all the time."
ReplyDeleteSo you basically just proved the entire article right then? The whole point of this article is that Neil traces ponies, and you just confirmed for all of us that he does, so good job man. You, Neil and whoever else in this "company" are not content creators, you are all a bunch of thieving lying content aggregators that REALLY don't want to watch your gravy train dry up before your very eyes, which is what you're helping it do with these asinine responses that nobody is going to buy. Also, I find it very funny you call it a "company" when you created nothing. MLP isn't copyrighted to you, Neil is tracing over and drawing shit that isn't copyrighted to him and then sells it for extremely ridiculous prices, and then you try to defend your bullshit when called out on it? Do you people over at TracePonies seriously have no shame whatsoever?
PurpleSmartFan, sorry, but I don't think you get my point. And please, keep it polite.
DeleteYes, I "proved the point of this article", but at the same time I stated what's highly inaccurate about the article as well. There's only a few occasions that he traces, but I've seen his own artwork from scratch.
Besides, he isn't as bad as some other artists I know, when it comes to tracing.
And, for the record, we really don't call it a company; that's what others call it. We're just a group, trying to make ourselves a living. Okay?
"Besides, he isn't as bad as some other artists I know, when it comes to tracing."
DeleteDo you even HEAR yourself when you speak? You are justifying THEFT.
Yeah, you just keep wrapping that blanket of denial around yourself.
So let me get this straight: You want people to be polite and sympathetic towards you and your "group" when Neil, yourself, and the many others that obviously make up this scam are duping thousands of people that actually DO make themselves a living at something called a JOB, out of their hard-earned money that they actually worked hard for by selling "art" that isn't copyrighted to you and is "sometimes traced" nonetheless? Sorry buddy, but IRL Land doesn't work that way. I, and many other people like me, have finally seen through your bullshit and no amount of damage control is going to cover it up this time.
Delete"We're just a group, trying to make ourselves a living. Okay?"
DeleteNo, you're just a bunch of scammers looking for easy money, If you want to make a living, get a fucking job like everyone else.
You know... you can make a living doing original work instead of painting ponies.
DeleteI thought everybody knows that Drawponies trace (cause it's SUPER OBVIOUS, in my opinion) but people are ok with it and still buy his stuff and treat him like #horsefamous.
ReplyDeleteBut now this? He's been doing this for like 3 years and made tones of money and you guys wanna do this now instead of years ago? Oh well I dunno I'm just surprised this didn't happen earlier
Bare in mind that Horse News is barely a year old
DeleteHN's actually recieved many requests and inqueries for an article like this. Its no secret this has been widely rumoured and gossiped in article circles since traceponies arrived in the art scene. We cannot do articles without definitive proof, which we've finally recieved now, hence why only now you are seeing this article.
DeleteNah I'm not complaining about Horse News, I'm just wondering why people react NOW instead like years ago cause it's not hard to see Drawponies trace.
DeleteAnd he has been doing it for like years so I thought everybody is ok with him tracing. Me dumb
He went from poorly shaded smudges to perfect show quality overnight. How did nobody know he was tracing? I thought everyone knew.
ReplyDeleteKinda chaps my ass a bit because I vend at cons as well. I don't trace and can't afford to vend at more than one or two cons a year while this guy traces his work and travels the country selling ripoffs as his own AS HIS SOLE INCOME. That's a spit in the face to fandom artists who actually make their own shit and work hard doing it!
Exactly.
DeleteIf his customers are fine with him tracing, I won't say anything. Butt...
lol
ReplyDeleteI have been part of the FB group where this all went down for a while. This issue has been brought up before but of course, their posts removed and then banned from the group. I so blindly defended him because I had no idea who Neil even was because he isn't even active in the group anymore (his posts get <20 likes and/or comments on average) and thought he was just someone who knew canon style well. His moderators/admins are a joke in that group, they play favorites and just censor anything they don't like.
ReplyDeleteIf someone traces the show just to make a daft comic online and make me laugh, I don't have a problem with that. Flash animators nick assets, sprite comics are a thing, etc.
ReplyDeleteIf someone then sells that artwork for a living, I definitely have a problem with that.
Here's something I found regarding Drawponies as well... http://sta.sh/22dvv2njpbwx?edit=1
ReplyDeleteAs a mod for the Drawponies Facebook page, I can confirm that things are weird. I just came back from a hiatus and saw that I was removed from the mod chat, and that everyone was refusing to talk about it. Holy crap.
ReplyDeleteActual news from the fandom? Not just petty shit-stirring? I must be on the wrong site, this can't be Horse News!
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/groups/drawponies/permalink/1068630966498149/
ReplyDeleteThread wasn't deleted, actually. You'll need to be in the group to see it, though.
Give a few months, people will forget this.
ReplyDeleteNo one's fussed about it until now. So why do it at all?
ReplyDeleteActaully. it's just a bunch of people making a fuss out of something, just to stir up trouble. give it a month or so, something else ridiculously stupid will come up and they will focus on that.
DeleteThaaaaaat's horsefuckers for you!
DeleteHis career is pretty much done in the community now....
ReplyDeleteQuestion to the "member of DrawPonies" that gave me a link saying "not traced, didn't use refs on this one!", well I found the original owner:
ReplyDeletehttp://vinyldarkscratch.deviantart.com
and have a few questions: why is it on someone else's DA page that seemingly has nothing to do with TracePonies, why is it not credited to Neil at all like he forces everyone that asks for "his art" to do, and why is that particular background used in many different PAID commissions that Neil supposedly made, or is that stolen from somewhere else too? And most importantly of all: why are YOU replying to people on here when Neil is the one behind everything? Where is he in all this? No explanation except "he's sick and can't". I bet he's just hoping that everything will blow over and everyone will just continue to shower him with respect and blindly throw more jewgold at him for tracing. Someone seriously NEEDS to write an Encyclopedia Dramatica article about this LOLcow, they love when brony idiots like this implode.
I remember going to this guy's panel during Bronycon 2013 to learn how to draw ponies. If these accusations are true, it's little wonder he was able to draw them so well.
ReplyDeleteI also remember trying to go to a panel of his at Grand Brony Gala 2014 about how to make comics, but he up and left without a word. So I just had to hang around for an hour until my panel started in the same room. A real nuisance, if I might say so.
Bottom line: I'm not saying he did trace, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he did.
C'mon, his bronycon panel was a fucking joke, he could barely draw on his own, and when a kid asked him how to draw a pony running, he replied something like............................................................................ ..................................................... well............... you need to pay attention and see how ponies run on the show"
DeleteTraced for comics? Seems that way, but meh. No harm, no foul. After all, many others have (and still are) yet you don't seem to be ragging on them.
ReplyDeleteYou also show just one vending example, which doesn't scream to be a tracing work. If he did so many (as you claim) you'd have many MANY examples. Feel free to try again when youve actually got something concrete.
*Personal note* I just LOVE the anonymity these commenters have to have in this discussion. Screams of being afraid of butthurt and the like. Heh. Cowards.
>After all, many others have (and still are) yet you don't seem to be ragging on them.
DeletePlease list the names of several artists along with substantial evidence that they traced and monetized said traces. I'll wait while you start pulling shit out of your ass.
>You also show just one vending example, which doesn't scream to be a tracing work.
Irrelevant. While there several examples in the article, the amount doesn't matter. All that matter is that he did trace and he did monetize.
*Personal Note* What does someone's identity have to do with the merit of their discussion?
We're 4chan users why the fuck would we need names and shit? Moron.
Delete"No harm no foul!"
DeleteWhat about all the people who paid $50+ for artwork that was quite possibly traced, had a stolen background, etc. and now isn't worth the paper it's printed on now that everyone knows what a fraud he is? Other people do it yes, but DO NOT charge $50+ for artwork that isn't copyrighted to them in the first place. Most of his images have the same background that wasn't created by him and the characters are stolen from somewhere, usually the show itself, which are just plain traced over. BTW, patreon is basically him pandering for money to make his comics, so nice try in trying to defend him. And why isn't he defending himself in all this? He's found enough time in his day to post shit on Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, etc. AND was able to re-name his Patreon today, yet has somehow managed to avoid saying anything at all about all this, especially to the ones that want an explanation about what the hell is really going on. Why can't he defend himself instead of having his white knights do it for him?
So let me get this straight...
DeleteNobody cares that he was making money off of drawing copyrighted licensed characters.
But the method in which he did it actually makes a difference? MAKES SENSE TO ME!
Fanart is kind of gray area, but tracing is plagiarism. That's why, dumbass.
DeleteWow none of you faggots knew? It was so obvious I thought nobody cared.
ReplyDeleteWho cares if he traces? I don't give a single fuck.
Okay, I really would like to clarify something: NEIL DOES NOT DRAW ADAPTING TO NIGHT, NOR IS IT TRACED.
ReplyDeleteAdapting to Night is NOT a DrawPonies work; it is his friend's.
Please, you guys, if you're going to post an article, MAKE IT ACCURATE.
"Neil does NOT draw Adapting to Night! It is NOT a TracePonies work!"
DeleteYou sure about that?
http://drawponies.deviantart.com/art/Comic-Adapting-To-Night-Part-1-454009054
http://web.archive.org/web/20140726001131/http://www.patreon.com/drawponies
DeleteHate to break it to you sport
"DRAWPONIES IS CREATING COMIC STRIPS
The second Adapting to Night series can happen with your help!"
"Gray and Drawponies are willing to continue the story if you, the fans, want to chip in."
""I wanted to fund this because I really love Drawponies work."
It's drawponies.
We have good reason to suspect that "Adapting To Night" was the Drawponies Patreon.
DeleteThe Google Cache shoes the old patreon having 47 patrons with $318/week income.
Adapting To Night has 46 patrons with $308/week income. We believe a patron contributing $10/week has dropped his support.
We also have recieved a leaked quote from Neil himself, in the article, claiming he has changed the Patreon's name to "Adapting To Night" for the time being. How is this not DrawPonies' work if Neil has control over it and if we have overwhelmingly strong evidence, including this Web-Archive of the old patreon, that is was his.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140726001131/http://www.patreon.com/drawponies
Coming from the "Patreon Supporters Skype Group" is consistent. We believe you've failed at your attempt of Damage Control, but thanks for making us reinforce our points, our article is improved!
Also, don't bother deleting your comment, we have already screencapped it and embedded it in the article, so deleting it as damage control will only make it worse.
Deletehttp://i.imgur.com/HhUF2E9.png
You wouldn't want that, would you?
Yes you proved some points and good ones at that but yours still really one sided I want more counter arguments to this I want the whole unedited truth not just the 100% bad stuff I know for a fact this guy has original work yes he has a few traced things but come on they way you put it ALL his work isn't original and I seriously think that's a lie
DeleteAkari, are you seriously blackmailing me? Go ahead, post the comment.
DeleteYou really don't understand how to write a proper news article.
PurpleSmartFan, since Chapter 4, GRAY is the one that draws it.
We never said all of his work was traced, this is something you've construed yourself. I think I've actually written in another comment that yes he indeed has original, definetely not traced works.
DeleteThe issue is he's crossed the line selling traces and recieving patreon funds for traced comics, a line almost no artist ever crosses. He's done it far more than once and the evidence is all over his deviantart. We aren't going to waste time proving which pieces and what proportion of pieces have been traced because we know it isn't an isolated incident but a repeated occurance.
Also, my comment wasn't blackmail, it was warning that trying to cover up anything stupid you write with a delete won't work and not to waste time.
Blackmail is demanding a ransom for us to not reveal information about you. You've already publically revealed your message. There is nothing we are hiding for ransom at all.
Try again.
Well, you see, the problem is that I hate you. As an editor, your sentence makes me want to scream and stab out my eyes. Did you get faint from typing that out with no periods, because I did. Lemme fix that...
DeleteYes you proved some points and good ones at that, but your point is still really one sided. I want more counter arguments to this! I want the whole unedited truth not just the 100% bad stuff! I know for a fact this guy has original work. Yes, he has a few traced things but come on the way you put it ALL of his work isn't original and I seriously think that's a lie.
Okay, now it is in a somewhat legible shape that I can actually reply to.
First off, a good amount of his work is traced, and that is no different in me eyes than if someone went on Fimfiction and posted 5 stories that are really just altered works, and not his own, but says it is okay since his other 15 are original pieces. Do you know what would happen if he was found out? Good ol' Mr. Meeester would delete his account with no warnings given with a grin on his face. Now, this proves that the percentages do not matter, and the fact remains that he is making money off if the hard work that another created in a way that is very illegal, and there is viable proof of this, and his actions after being caught only cement this.
Secondly, if you want to post "the other side", do it. Why do you think the comments are always enabled on Horse News articles? If you see shit, call it out. We can take it. The sad part is that many of the comments above have tried to tell the other side, only to be shut down with proof otherwise. Do you know what the saddest part is? One commenter talked about how one of the works was traced for half a second, to only dismiss this whole side of the arguement simply because some of it wasn't. Does this make you mad too, or will you dismiss also with a bat of an eye?
it's not the commenters job to do their research for them, or to provide the other side of an argument. They should have done so themselves. The fact they didn't proves either all they care about is starting shit, or they have a vendetta.
DeleteSo what you are saying is that you can not adaquetely tell of the other side? Much research has been done for this article, I can tell you that. If you really want to tell of the "other side" then write your own article.
DeleteThe other side is wrong and this has been proven. Why should it need exposure in the article? This right here is called the compromise fallacy. It assumes that both sides of an argument are always equally valid and that both need to be heard. It's like saying that science classes in schools should teach evolution AND creationism so that both sides can be happy. No. It does not work like that. If an argument is provably wrong then it has no value.
DeleteRelevant.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDelete(Oh, I deleted this comment because I accidentally posted it as it's own comment, not as a comment reply)
DeleteSure ... Its a all a fucking conspiracy man!
DeleteYou're a secret agent that loves Neil
I know it
Please stop saying damage control
ReplyDeleteTHE STREISAND EFFECT DOES NOT APPLY ON THE INTERNET
The streissand effect happened because of the internet you dipshit.
Deleteand if getting your shills to comment on this article, deleting and censoring divergent opinion and complaints on a facebook group, and fraudulently changing the name of a patreon isn't "damage control", I dont know what is
faggotnigger
XD You're leaving a public paper trail here and you're telling me the Streisand Effect exists? This was already outrageously blown out of portion by Neil's rabbid fanbase and you cheeky horsefuckers before he even attempted damage control. Face it, if someone is popular enough they can't hide it anymore. More than likely mods just felt it appropriate to remove the spam. It's his page, he can do what he wants with it. That's why pages like this exist.
DeleteWhat, you mean allowing rabid "Me-Too"ists, and trolls to run rampant with flames and death threats isn't a requirement for horsefame?
DeleteWhat doesn't kill you, makes you stronger
Delete>Streisand effect does not apply on the internet
Deletehttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
>The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.
>DP and co. start censoring the whole incident
>white knight militia marches forth to defend him
>said white knights only spread news of the incident
Shit, the only reason I heard about this is because of some faggot talking about DP censoring all of this. Before I thought everyone knew he traced his art and didn't give a shit. Even if he had done nothing to hide it this would have become big news, but trying to hide only exposed him more.
3:47 S3 E1 & E2 | The Crystal Empire (Luna and Celestia banishing Sombra)
ReplyDeletehttp://fav.me/d73349w DP's art sold at cons least year at the least.
Thank you, Soul Sister, we will update the article with this!
DeleteI'm 100% sure TracePonies has either sent his white knights to this article, or they're just that stupid to blindly believe their god Neil since he's been nowhere to be found since yesterday. On his Facebook page, one of the mods that is now running the page informed me that they too have no idea what the hell is going on. Neil has disappeared, and let's all pray to Molestia that it's for good this time.
ReplyDelete>Molestia
DeleteSpeaking of dipshits C&D'd by Hasbro...
God forbid someone use a show loved by million as the basis for humorous fanart.
Delete"dipshits C&D'd by Hasbro" "Molestia"
Deletedoesn't really fit in the same sentence; Molestia was shut down purely because it was growing too big and Hasbro didn't exactly want a suggestive blog being too easily accessible. And I'm sure whining and bitching from idiotic SJWs (like you already seem to be; funny what can be picked up from one sentence) didn't really help the situation.
A full year or two of pretty decent art and amusing posts, hard work and sweat by the artist, lost because of it. It couldn't be helped, but it's sad.
Hasbro had nothing to do with molestia. That was the whole DWM "movement" pissing their panties and crying to tumblr, and it was tumblr that took it down.
DeleteI recognize a few more of the poses in the images of this article as coming from episodes, but I don't know the exact episodes.
ReplyDeleteAs far as im concerned you guys should have seen this coming. Some of the most common poses that really piss me off are in his work and it was so obvious. It was recoloured or rehatted at best.
ReplyDeleteDont blame drawponies you guys knew very well what you were supporting you could witness his work first hand if you are surprised what has happened... then you sir are blind
everyone knew, HN just needed the full evidence before an article would happen.
DeleteOkay, but what about the other stuff that isn't traced. Has anyone seen his gallery. you can tell what is traced or isn't traced. I know of the traced stuff you are talking about, but I'm talking about the other stuff that isn't traced. Pretty much you are just nippicking what you want people to see, instead of the stuff he drew out of straight imagination.
ReplyDeleteHow is any of that relevant to this article?
DeleteThat's like a story about a criminal saying things like "He burned down 3 buildings and punched an orphan, but he always tips his waitresses 25%"
He's still made a profit off tracing and built a huge following off tracing. This is a line no respectable artist crosses.
Deleteits like you're saying "oh, but you've only proven he's killed three people. You haven't proven he's murdered a hundred people yet", but a murderer is a murderer like a cheater is a cheater. It just takes one to ruin the reputation of all your work.
How many more examples of him being a cheater does HN need to prove to prove he's a plagarizing tracing cheater? Last time I checked, that number is *one*.
they only shown what he only traced, and not the stuff he did originally thats not traced.
DeleteAlso, you're comparisons to that and this situation is totally beyond insane.
DeleteSo fucking what? Most of his audience doesn't give a damn. it's just a few people that got butthurt, probably over something else he did or said, and are blowing it way out of proportion.
DeleteNo one bitches and moans about musicians doing remixes, or using bits from the show's audio in their songs. Or the tons or pmvs and random humor videos that just uses show clips.
>most of his audience doesn't give a damn
Delete>110 comments
>flooded Facebook and DeviantArt walls with complaints
keep telling yourself that
out of 12,000 watchers on DA alone.
Deletealso
>gets posted on sites known for invading
>sjws stick together
People don't get pissed at remixes because they are labeled as such AND give the original credit
DeleteBecause it's not like every damn vector artist doesn't just trace screen shots to get their vectors. then every other artist takes said vectors and makes their own art out of it.
ReplyDeletethats alright since they provide their vectors for free non-commercial use by the community and the wallpapers and stuff most people make with these are often for free community use.
Deletedrawponies is selling these without credit or acknowledgement and without Hasbro approval.
Hasbro actively C&Ds traced show vectors that are sold on Redbubble and such, it doesnt just get passed under the rug.
The difference is Drawponies is making not just chump change but signficiant dosh off of this. At least $16000 a year off of this. This is major money Hasbro cannot ignore.
So, what you are saying is, people aren't mad because he traced, they are mad because he got successful with it and they didn't?
DeleteNo, they're mad because he's getting away with breaking the law, and they're not breaking it.
Deleteyea, its an unfair way to produce products when everyone else is working their ass off to create and vend original stuff, especially when hasbro is c&ding other show traces left and right.
Delete>implying half the artists complaining aren't also tracers or using vectors.
Deletepeople actually thought he was drawing all that shit himself? They're mad because they realize how easily they were fooled?
ReplyDeleteWhen I hear the word scandal in argentina
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/MOhnq235kQU?t=15
Lol someone contact hasbro! Someone contact equestria daily lmao!!!!
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't. I wonder though how Hasbro will react after it catches their attention though... All that money made off of traced art...
ReplyDelete*sits and watches people become irrational*
ReplyDeleteHuh. So this is exactly what happened eh? Well, I joined that place because at the time, the description was basically saying it was just a group of artists. Honestly never was aware of the 'brand name' associated with it. Bloody figures. Time to get the buck outta there.
ReplyDeleteDrawponies is in full damage control now, he is hiding the comments on his deviantart.
ReplyDeletePeople tend to do that with spam and trolling.
DeleteThey also do that in an attempt to run damage control.
DeleteAbout the accusations of him allegedly tracing Twilight in that blanket he's selling - let's not forget Rainbow Dash as well.
ReplyDeletehttp://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rainbow_Dash_chill_dude_S2E8.png
http://imgur.com/B0AzyzL
Not 100% perfect match, but it's very likely the "reference" was off by a fraction of a second compared to the screenshot
Thanks Soul Sister! We will grab the right frame and use that as more evidence in the next article! Pony on /)
DeleteSo many SJWs here today. You'd think they be in bed since they got school in the morning.
ReplyDeleteHN took a break from bashing them for something else, so of course they'll jump on the first sign of drama that doesn't go against them. Immature twats.
DeleteI'm interested to know how people took a shitshow over a professional "artist" monetizing traced work and somehow extrapolated social justice from that.
DeleteNo really, I'm legitimately confused. Who are the SJWs in all of this supposed to be?
While I think it's sad that he traces, he actually isn't that bad at drawing. He personally drew me a Luna sketch by hand at a con (I watched him draw it). It's just too bad that everything is questionable now because he made some bad decisions.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you guys should update this- the Rainbow Dash on the blanket is definitely traced like one comment mentioned, AND the equally damning example is of Twilight on the lefthand side of the blanket. It's actually traced from this vector, and they're almost exactly the same:
ReplyDeletehttp://kamyk962.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-Sparkle-Alicorn-Vector-355000137
I was looking for the screencap for that one but I gave up! Thank you very much, Soul Sister! We will have this in the next article.
DeleteFacebook thread was not removed. If you're a member of the group, you can see the Facebook thread here:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/groups/drawponies/permalink/1068630966498149/
People, just quit it okay? Isn't this fandom about LOVE AND TOLERATING??? Because right now, I'm seeing the EXACT opposite! DP is an amazing artist! I saw him at The Grand Brony Gala and he was kind and gave everyone amazing drawing tips! Even to me! (and I can't even properly draw a stick figure without it looking wonky) He's got talent! Probably most of the people who are flipping out about this probably can't draw either. Some of you might be incredible talented like Neil, but the ones like the messed up Anonymous people (who are hating)... you're just stupid! Did YOU go to drawing school??? Did YOU ever get accepted to go vendor at a convention and sell out basically every time??? Were YOU able to get famous off of talent and commitment to your work??? Have YOU ever gotten thousands of fanarts because YOU were amazing at what you do??? Are YOU even as famous as Neil??? If YOU so happen to be famous, have YOU EVER copied something??? Because let me tell ya, at one point or another EVERY SINGLE FAMOUS OR WELL KNOWN PERSON HAS COPIED SOMETHING!!! And so what if he "traced"? PEOPLE!!! GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!! IT WASN'T EVEN THE FULL PICTURE!!! It was just a bit of the face and part of the background! So in reality, he didn't actually do anything bad! And was it ever said that he was using that one drawing to sell??? Because right now, half of the MLP is most likely as annoyed about this as I am... So seriously... just stop it! Because you all (who are hating on Neil) are just being jerks... So just shut up and put this in the past... Neil is an awesome person and you guys shouldn't be assholes to him just because of one mistake!
ReplyDelete> Love and tolerance
DeleteAh, you must be new here! Welcome and enjoy your stay!
People do not hate him but he does what 25 % of the work on a picture for his commission/comic alot of them he does not even draw a background he just takes them from other artists, yes he does link them but still
DeleteGet the fuck out. DP fucked up and you're being a drone defending him. It'd be one thing if he did this for fun, but he made shitloads of cash off the fandom with his deceptive artistic practices. He is 100% in the wrong.
DeleteHaha. HAHAHAHA.
Delete*nods respectfully towards you*
Who invited you, Tumblr? Get the fuck out here with your horrible grammar and excessive use of question marks. Oh, and your idol is shit, get over it.
Delete"GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!! IT WASN'T EVEN THE FULL PICTURE!!! It was just a bit of the face and part of the background! "
Delete....I think you missed the screencap of Cadence's horn being traced.
http://i.imgur.com/lIN9o1j.jpg
Please get that through your thick skull.
I thought this place was /mlp/ club? Where are the bronies coming from?
Delete"DP is an amazing artist!" First that is wrong because he creates nothing that would qualify as art, he traces and creates products. Now he may be nice to you but there are so many others, artists, vendors, and con goers a like who he has been rude to. There is a reason the rest of the artist community does not like him, it is only his small group of fans and followers. His very actions go against what artists strive for: individual creativity and self improvement. Sure some artists might start out tracing, but only for practice, look at the major artists in this fandom, they have developed their own unique style. By tracing, you cannot learn to improve. That is why when you look at his non-traced art, their is not individual style, crude anatomy, off perspective. His art looks like a kid who just started drawing despite having drawn ponies for 3-4 years. Most artists have improved, his art looks exactly the same as when he started.
Deletehttp://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/2oihvd/nice/ he streams when he traces how come people are now doing somthing
ReplyDeleteThank you Soul Sister, we will include this in our next article!
Delete*angry face* who does he think he is, ripping off our show like that. I wouldn't be surprised if he plagiarized other copyrighted art as well as for OC's and such.
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Fucking weebs, kill yourselves.
DeleteFucking horse fuckers fucking horses
DeleteI'd rather a horse than a weeb.
DeleteThats your preference but being a horsefucker is worse. you don't have to give a shit though.
DeleteI will also contribute to Traceponies' downfall!
ReplyDeleteHave some evidence of blatant tracing.
Not even Purest Waifu is safe from this madman's plagiarizing appendages
http://i.imgur.com/bmNSNcE.jpg
I have to laugh at the people who are acting like they have just uncovered some big secret. It is obviously not something he was trying to hide. If he had really been trying to fool everyone then he wouldn't be blatantly doing it for everyone to see in a livestream.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly enough, one of traceponies' most blatantly traced works already has a "trace" tag applied to it on derpibooru.
ReplyDeletehttps://derpiboo.ru/669352
If you look at https://derpiboo.ru/images/669352/tag_changes you can see that some anon added the tag 10 months ago. This backs up those who said they knew he was tracing for a long time. It's very strange that it's just blowing up now, but I can't say that I mind it.
I honestly can't bring myself to care about this very much, and the fact that this has been known about for months (probably years) and is only just now erupting sort of shows me that people are just looking for something to be pissed off about and finally found it.
DeleteI mean, let's face it, we can call him lazy and a ripoff for making exact copies of Hasbro's work and selling it, but we could pretty much criticize any MLP fan artist selling their work for latching on to Hasbro's characters to make their money instead of creating truly original artwork of their own inspiration.
I'm not going to defend someone who sustainability comes from tracing adobe flash screenshots
DeleteCall it jealousy or wisdom or preference
idgaf
It blow up because their fans are now pissed. Most of these people just use DA and not derpiboo.ru.
DeleteHonestly, I don't see what the big deal is. I never went to drawponies for high-quality pony art. I went to him for a quick chuckle at some pony-related content. Why should I care how he goes about creating that?
ReplyDeleteThis article is clearly trying to justify finding something to throw a fit about for no reason. He's tracing over the lines, it's not like he's directly cropping the characters. Sure, I think it would be better if he actually just drew it himself, but this isn't anything to be throwing this far out of proportion.
he made a lot of money off this operation, its entirely unfair to the vending community that plays by the rules
DeleteI think the article is intended to get the word out to people who give him money or might do so in the future. People are paying him a hefty chunk of change every week to produce comics, to say nothing of the shekels he pulls in at cons, but with plenty of legitimately talented pony artists out there, is he really worthy of the monetary support he's getting? I think that's the main question the article is trying to raise.
Delete"He's tracing over the lines, it's not like he's directly cropping the characters."
DeleteUmmm... yeah I am just going to assume this person is a troll.
And now the entire group has evolved into posting clop pictures.
ReplyDeletepretty good clop if I do say so myself.
Perfect censorship:
http://imgur.com/RWUZn6U
Okay, so tracing stuff out of the show is one thing.
ReplyDeleteWhat about using stuff other people traced that didn't even go on the sell it like Drawponies or others (this whole thing honestly seems like deja vu except with Drawponies instead of PixelKitties, but she's still active and making stuff ain't she?), but more as a resource?
Here's one of the most commonly-used sky backgrounds in derivative works, which was traced from Wonderbolts Academy, a Season 3 episode: http://goblinengineer.deviantart.com/art/Cloudy-Sky-Background-343176990
* It's worth noting that the clouds are animated in the episode, so it only appears like this for one frame. By that, it'd less likely be a coincidence that Drawponies or anyone else vectored off the same frame, if that's relevant.
* You may recognize it as part of EqD's banners on several occasions.
And here's one of Drawponies' works, which I remember seeing available as merchandise (print and tote bag, if I recall) at BronyCon 2014 and maaaybe BABSCon 2014 (I went to both and checked my photos from both cons, unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of his booth, if that matters you can disregard this entire comment, but I remember seeing it): http://drawponies.deviantart.com/art/Dash-Wonderbolt-Drawponies-Background-410179108
RD to me definitely looks like his original work, I'd assume hand-drawn and then worked over digitally, but I'm referring to the background.
It's the same: http://i.imgur.com/ZZmEGUV.png
Though, I feel I should add this note from reddit linked in an earlier comment about tracing and art: http://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/2oihvd/nice/cmnm279
Mostly the part where he says people can [or should] tell that it's a trace and they still like it, and that it isn't supposed to be artistic work in the first place.
So, what then, from some of the comments people can't or stopped trying to find some middle ground, or does the presence of money or being in-it-for-money change everything? Is it just for the drama with #horsefamous people? Because there are a crapton of people that vector off the episodes already whether it's they like the style, make wallpapers with them, free high-quality resources, you name it, and post it regularly to DA, Derpibooru, Tumblr, etc., but I've only seen this stuff have an uproar in the past like this in the fandom with artists like PixelKitties, and now Drawponies.
its the part where you start to make money off of it. the rules change. you're competing against other vendors now, the vast majority of whom play by the rules with intellectual property and copyright and who are selling their products made from their own drawing skills, not from cutting corners with tracing or using traced vectors that were meant for non-profit commercial use.
DeleteWith the specific examples you gave, the background vectorer said you may use it if you give her credit. Drawponies did not credit her for that work and this is another example we will be capping and posting in our next article. Thank you SOUL SISTER for the article material
I would like to also point out PixelKitties even though she work in the show style has her own distinctive take, she has an unique style that makes her art stand out from crude vectors. Where as Neil only has two ways he draws, either tracing which makes it look just like the show or his own style as you showed with the tote bag Rainbow Dash and as an artist I am going to stay that when he is not tracing his artwork sucks. Tracing doesn't help with improving art ability or talent, tracing leads to what is shown in his "original" art, an inability to draw proper anatomy or perspective.
DeleteAnd tracing only scratches the surface of his sins, Neil has done a lot worst as a vendor.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense and answers my questions. Admittedly it's a bit hard to make a distinction, when sometimes it's about how it's the money involvement and then other times people say it doesn't matter whether money a factor or not.
DeleteAll of this drama is ridiculous - it was absolutely NO secret that Neil traced / heavily used references from the show. He hosted a panel on how to draw ponies during which he fucking admitted he constantly traces and whatnot. BUT WHY? Doesn't that show, complete and utter lack of talent?
ReplyDeleteNo! That's the funny thing about drawing- you have to 'learn' to draw, and MLP's characters are very specific with their own weird bones and anatomy and perspectives, and don't get me started on their hairstyles.
You cannot legitimately expect an artist to have just, known how to properly pose and change the perspective of their drawings. And Patreon is a place where you're supposed to support the growth of an artist in return for them supplying content- even if he's tracing, that's growth. That bashing of Drawponies because of this is absolutely fucking sickening. And congratulations, Horse-News, for very, 'very' obviously having a biased view on the matter. You're pretty perfectly demonstrating everything wrong with the stereotypical news network.
I hope he 'does' release an apology, because I personally think he should have used tracing / relied on references just to study poses and perspectives, because he does try to be very true to the show's style and that's a difficult thing to have- however you're clearly making EVERY ATTEMPT possible to ABSOLUTELY RUIN him, and that's taking it many, many steps too far. This 'news' is slanderous bullshit that shouldn't be getting attention.
Let me polish your white armor good sir...
DeleteI seriously hope this person is a troll. Because this comment is an INSULT to the creative community of this fandom. You defending this tracer is sickening. Look at any major artist in the fandom, look at their styles, none of them look traced. They might trace for practice but it is very misleading and against the integrity of being an artist to post traced artwork. Look at Neil's art. They only have two styles, show style from his traced art, and his own untraced art which could hardly be called good. Bad anatomy and perspective is what you get in his "original" art. That is why tracing is bad, and teaching a new generation of young artists to do that is very very wrong.
DeleteSame anon that made the comment; I'm going to add that I'm an artist, by the way, who has a fair sum of followers and does commissions. I don't know exactly what vending / commission market you're thinking of, but there really isn't much of one- it's not competition, it's a whole ton of people doing something they love, pleasing some others with it, and learning to be better artists in the process. I've literally never seen an artist put another one down or try specifically to outdo one- why is it assumed Neil is specifically doing this to put himself above the rest? You are aware that isn't the case, right?
DeleteAnd another thing- his comic strips. Do they look at all like they're intended to be highly original, fancy drawings? They're written to be joking. Like pretty much all comic strips. They're very obviously NOT meant to look amazing, they're supposed to get a quick chuckle out of you / make you feel something, and anyone with half an inch of common sense would see that just by looking at ONE of them.
His original work doesn't look that bad and the anatomy has few actual flaws. And no, I am not 'insulting the creative community' - I'm trying to save it from fucking demonizing someone who's been a part of it for a long-ass time because he made a mistake. And yes, posting traced artwork- it's a MISTAKE. It should be left at that- a MISTAKE. It should not be blown out of proportion and used to create a fucking hatred club for him.
Look at how obvious and non-subtle this tracing is.
Deletehttp://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/010/c/2/epic_space_war_of_destiny_by_drawponies-d8dbapd.png
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/056/5/d/surprises_and_revelations_by_drawponies-d8jfp22.png
http://orig07.deviantart.net/2b96/f/2015/081/b/6/drinks_of_future_past_by_drawponies-d8m5haz.png
http://pre06.deviantart.net/651e/th/pre/f/2015/093/8/b/comic__mane_6_react_to_socks__with_dialogue__by_drawponies-d7hjr46.png
It's fair to say with certainty the idea of the comics is not the art, but the writing. But you just want to be offended by the fact the art itself doesn't have the level of effort that most artists put into more serious works.
As for a $150 blanket, are you really that stupid? Taking vectors and shit traced and/or put in directly from the show and putting them on various merchandise is absolutely nothing new and is very rarely frowned upon like this. I really want to know what the difference is between this situation and the $30 drinking glass I bought that has a vector of Vinyl Scratch on it, because nobody's bitch about that or anything like it.
The only bad thing in this situation is the selling of actual prints and commissions when they have traced content in them, and you actually HAVEN'T provided any proof of that. You've shown he's traced things and put them on physical merchandise and you've shown he does it on comics sometimes.
I'll add once again that no matter what point of mine you refute the fact still stands that this article is horrendously biased and slanderous and is clearly intended to push Drawponies down. I'm being told this kind of article is nothing new on here, and that's nothing short of horrifying.
>on HN.
Delete>Demands bias.
go back to tumblr, pls.
Whether I'm a Tumblr user or not does not affect the validity of my argument whatsoever. don't be an idiot, pls.
DeleteIf you legitimately can't see how strong the opinions and bias based on them are in this article, then that speaks for itself.
Your argument is retarded and you're retarded.
DeleteA free market assumes that everyone has equal opportunity to get their work out there and that customers will discriminate between products based on quality. Real artists trace only so that they can learn to improve their own skill and produce a superior product, and their real artistic endeavours are what they sell, because to sell traced artwork is theft.
Traceponies is not only committing theft by doing this, but is also using tracing to compensate for a lack of actual skill. Other, better artists than him are being cheated because their competition, DP, is able to fall back on stealing to achieve the same results that they got by doing honest work.
AND this also cheats the customer, who is being deceived into paying for a product that is not worth its price, because the value comes from the work put into it, and traced artwork has no value because it requires no effort to produce.
THIS is the crux of the issue. If he were merely using tracing to produce some funny comics, it would still make him an untalented artist, but people wouldn't be mad. Most people already knew anyway. But once you start charging money for art, then you absolutely waive all right to dismiss criticism by claiming that it's not meant to be good, because then you're competing with other artists who are also selling a product, and you as a business owner are expected to abide by a certain set of ethics.
Nothing DP has done here is excusable, and this article is entirely right to take a harsh stance against him. Get out of that fucking white armour, because you look rediculous in it.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscaGDxuQqE
Your argument is retarded and you're retarded.
DeleteA free market assumes that everyone has equal opportunity to get their work out there and that customers will discriminate between products based on quality. Real artists trace only so that they can learn to improve their own skill and produce a superior product, and their real artistic endeavours are what they sell, because to sell traced artwork is theft.
Traceponies is not only committing theft by doing this, but is also using tracing to compensate for a lack of actual skill. Other, better artists than him are being cheated because their competition, DP, is able to fall back on stealing to achieve the same results that they got by doing honest work.
AND this also cheats the customer, who is being deceived into paying for a product that is not worth its price, because the value comes from the work put into it, and traced artwork has no value because it requires no effort to produce.
THIS is the crux of the issue. If he were merely using tracing to produce some funny comics, it would still make him an untalented artist, but people wouldn't be mad. Most people already knew anyway. But once you start charging money for art, then you absolutely waive all right to dismiss criticism by claiming that it's not meant to be good, because then you're competing with other artists who are also selling a product, and you as a business owner are expected to abide by a certain set of ethics.
Nothing DP has done here is excusable, and this article is entirely right to take a harsh stance against him. Get out of that fucking white armour, because you look rediculous in it.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscaGDxuQqE
God it's sad watching people who dont frequent chans be so naive and try to argue and debate with HorseNews fags like they're going to respond cordially. Just stop. They don't care about your feelings or that you think DP doesn't deserve this because you think he's a nice guy. They care about reporting and feeding into fandom drama because they're bored. You want to defend and white knight DP? Don't do it here. Your chances of convincing people to change their mind is 0. I'm cringing every time I see it happening in the comment section.
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Lol, goddammit Akari, with you and your weaboo ways!