tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post7790836445221354483..comments2024-03-29T05:54:26.615-05:00Comments on Horse News: Brony Vendors Pen Anonymous "Open Letter" to BronyCon - a List of Grievances Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-29805468736762684272016-01-06T13:27:06.369-06:002016-01-06T13:27:06.369-06:00I forgot to point out that the space in 2013 was S...I forgot to point out that the space in 2013 was SMALLER than the space in 2014, which 2015 space was said to be SMALLER than in 2014.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-3615661982223433862016-01-06T13:24:52.395-06:002016-01-06T13:24:52.395-06:00Everyone is forgetting the fact that at least half...Everyone is forgetting the fact that at least half of these Vendors (in all 3 years in Baltimore) also shared a space with another vendor, and at least a smaller portion shared with 2 other vendors. That increases the number of Vendors who 'actually attended' the convention as vendors/dealers.<br /><br />In 2013 there were 140 Vendor spaces available, 68 less than in 2014. We shared our booth with 2 other artists, one of whom was doing several panels but who was not accepted as a dealer. At least 1/2 of those vendors attending shared with someone else, so 140 + 70 = 210 Vendors, which is just 2 Vendors more than the spaces available in 2014. AND...that does not include any spaces where vendors shared with more than 1 artist, like we did.<br /><br />So, in 2014 the space amount was comparable to the number of total Vendors, including the ones who shared, to the number of spaces available which was 208 and the Vending Hall size was increased.<br /><br />Now, on the average, at least 1/2 of the 208 Vendors from 2014 shared a space with someone so that ups the amount of Vendors who actually attended to 312 approximately. That number ironically coincides with the 300 vendors that BC said they would have like to have had for the 2015 convention, however they went to a smaller space.<br /><br />That brings us to 2015, last year. The 173 Vendor spaces for 2015 was upgraded from an original 150 available Vendor spaces (decreased 58 Vendor spaces from 2014) which was down from the 208 available spaces for 2014. This was due to artists complaining, some of whom have been vending since the first BronyCon in NY. <br /><br />What a lot of people don't know is that many and I mean MANY vendors who were selected to attend the 2015 convention had ALREADY made plans with OTHER ARTISTS to SHARE their space IF they were selected to attend as a vendor. So, a lot of those vendors planning on sharing didn't bother to apply because they were already lined up to share with someone who had applied.<br /><br />Then, vendors who were selected and who actually knew vendors who weren't selected graciously shared their space with not just 1 vendor but several. So, if you use the 173 spaces that BC made available in the end and...<br /><br />divide that by 2 so that at least 1/2 the vendors were sharing with others that brings the total to 260 vendors AND...<br /><br />...when you estimate that at least 1/2 of the 1/2 hosted 2 vendors that brings the total number of Vendors up to 303 AND...<br /><br />...that does not include any of the 1/2 of vendors left over from the first division of 173 vendors who already had/may have had someone lined up to share their space PRIOR to being ACCEPTED.<br /><br />In the end, BC says that they had at least 300 vendors they wanted to have, but couldn't because of space. However, they had at least that amount via shared booth spaces in 2014 and 2015, so they could have, and can, easily accommodate 300 vendors without wreaking havoc among everyone! How?<br /><br />A large majority of the Vendors do not need a 10x10 space but more like a 10x5 w/an 8' table (this is the size we had in 2014 - In 2013 all of us had a 6' table which would also work). That gives a vendor enough space to add a small 4' table on the end, still have room to enter on the side, AND an area directly behind that will accommodate the wire stacking cubes and still leave room for to move/sit in your chair AND at a cost that is more affordable to artists who DO NOT HAVE A NORMAL JOB. That also eliminates anyone needing to share a space unless its specifically a draw artist who only has a small amount of artwork with him.<br /><br />There are so many other ways that BC can accommodate artists and plush makers who can't or aren't chosen to attend the convention by utilizing one small area where flyers, brochures, business cards can be left with commission info, and for a very small fee...like $15-25 for the entire weekend. And they only need 1 or 2 staff members to organize and maintain this area of information.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-20496845405932920262015-09-11T14:58:18.022-05:002015-09-11T14:58:18.022-05:00-Applauds--Applauds-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-75227726061489541332015-09-11T12:17:14.132-05:002015-09-11T12:17:14.132-05:00Con vendors are so weird to me. For any con really...Con vendors are so weird to me. For any con really, but pony cons in particular. Maybe some of these complaints are valid (sounds like the loading dock thing was a real issue), but the complaint about not making "minimum wage" is fantastically stupid. This isn't a job. No one is forcing you to do this. You're supposedly doing this because you love the show and love to make art right? No. You're all* just greedy fucks selling copyright-infringing (or at least copyright gray-area) art, taking advantage of the stupid masses with expendable income (or their parents' income in many cases, especially with most of the cons now trying to present themselves as "family friendly")<br /><br />I can't say I blame you. If I had the artistic talent to draw/make plushies of other companies' copyrighted characters *and* the time, I would definitely try to gouge the hell out of other people to make some extra cash. But to think you're entitled to fair treatment and pay, as if you were an employee of a company, is laughable.<br /><br />*Not ALL vendors are like this, but from what I've seen the majority are. If cons are your primary/a major source of income, don't expect ANY guarantees of "rights" or fair pay/treatment. Congrats if you've made a living out of selling other people's intellectual property, but the fact that you feel any entitlement shows that you're really disconnected from reality. Note I have nothing wrong with, say, commissions. If you like someone's art style, feel free to pay them to draw whatever the hell you want. But the mass production and sale of art at cons, followed by complaints that you didn't make as much money as you wanted, is what kills me. <br /><br />And I'll say it once again: congratulations if you can make money selling your art at conventions. Clearly people are willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on that stuff. But, don't try to sugar coat what you're actually doing. It's not a "job" and you have none of the protections that people with "real jobs" have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-73686427837099509882015-09-10T17:55:49.686-05:002015-09-10T17:55:49.686-05:00Yeah, Chocobro is not someone you want running a c...Yeah, Chocobro is not someone you want running a convention. The fact he got involved with Seabronies is enough evidence he does not have the sound judgment to run such a large organization such as Bronycon. He'd probably bring Purple Tinker back into the fold along with probably a lot of other bad decisions and play favorites far too much, creating a cabal of yes men and removing anyone that questioned his decisions.<br /><br />Thankfully, Bronycon won't be burning down to the ground anytime soon, as people had the foresight to not give this guy any kind of authority. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-43588599503346738202015-09-10T09:56:34.267-05:002015-09-10T09:56:34.267-05:00Typo's typo's everywhere. *furries and *&#...Typo's typo's everywhere. *furries and *'11.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-47942751647128362382015-09-10T09:54:18.733-05:002015-09-10T09:54:18.733-05:00"If a bunch of furfags" lol furry in den..."If a bunch of furfags" lol furry in denial. Every time I see curries and bronies compared to make the point one would be different and better than the other, I have to laugh. Having been in one fandom since '01 and on the other since '98 I can tell you they're the same in every last sordid little detail. Even the drama like this <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-77962297942727579852015-09-09T18:23:29.214-05:002015-09-09T18:23:29.214-05:00The furry fandom isn't centralized on just one...The furry fandom isn't centralized on just one show though. I don't see Star Trek only conventions around here and I am sure once the show goes many may jump ship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-91441863229646287142015-09-09T09:06:35.210-05:002015-09-09T09:06:35.210-05:00That theory would explain why this letter is now p...That theory would explain why this letter is now public shortly after chocolatepony lost his bid for con chair of Bronycon. Now he's just trying to take it by force.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-2032199469796829012015-09-09T03:48:59.711-05:002015-09-09T03:48:59.711-05:00Yeah, Pika, _their_ craft does make some sort of p...Yeah, Pika, _their_ craft does make some sort of profit, and is sustainable. Because they're not retarded fart lovers who make poor life decisions. At the end of the day, these creators have some money to live off of, and their customers have neat things like plushies and prints and props. That's not laughable.<br /><br />Being the guy who will be remembered for posting "Poopie Scoobie" is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-82997642527594395312015-09-09T01:44:21.894-05:002015-09-09T01:44:21.894-05:00Oh we've seen you bitch quite a lot actually.....Oh we've seen you bitch quite a lot actually...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-72456597991937544212015-09-08T21:57:44.237-05:002015-09-08T21:57:44.237-05:00The antisemitism! It's astounding! Bronies eve...The antisemitism! It's astounding! Bronies everyone!<br /><br />And they wonder why people hate them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-37862580078933298632015-09-08T21:43:17.634-05:002015-09-08T21:43:17.634-05:00I have it from a vendor friend who disagreed with ...I have it from a vendor friend who disagreed with this letter and felt it was largely BS that Chocolatepony mod was the writer and that he honestly did not have as much backing to these claims from his fellow vendors as he implied in this.<br /><br />Now, I got that second hand form my buddy, and I am an annon on HN, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt, but I am 99% sure Chocolatepony wrote this manifesto and likely had only a handful of people backing him on it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-65906343571460052782015-09-08T20:10:15.832-05:002015-09-08T20:10:15.832-05:00Furry conventions started 26 years ago with ConFur...Furry conventions started 26 years ago with ConFurence in 1989. That's 22 years before the first brony convention. They had problems like this as well and are still around. The brony fandom will survive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-87962471278721494832015-09-08T19:30:58.954-05:002015-09-08T19:30:58.954-05:00I personally find the vendors complaining about no...I personally find the vendors complaining about not making sales laughable. <br />At least their craft makes some sort of profit to be sustainable. <br />Y'all should do animation for a con, you don't see us bitching and moaning. We're happy everyone enjoyed it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740487022021937825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-5607620466298941262015-09-08T13:55:08.046-05:002015-09-08T13:55:08.046-05:00@01:44 Bring your own damn food and water, and hav...@01:44 Bring your own damn food and water, and have another employee their so you can take breaks. I know that means losing your precious shekels Mr. Goldstein but deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-89010843625758834982015-09-08T13:39:31.032-05:002015-09-08T13:39:31.032-05:00POOPIE SCOOBIE POOPIE SCOOBIE! ! POOPIE SCOOBIE POOPIE SCOOBIE! ! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740487022021937825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-54494527367680700172015-09-08T13:38:49.595-05:002015-09-08T13:38:49.595-05:00BronyCon is a business. If the vendors' sales ...BronyCon is a business. If the vendors' sales are down, there's less reason to give them space. If they're going to take up space that could be used for something more profitable, they need to pay more for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-2500731517970108322015-09-08T13:31:52.447-05:002015-09-08T13:31:52.447-05:00Okay.Okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-58124896990859208212015-09-08T13:23:51.223-05:002015-09-08T13:23:51.223-05:00What point are you trying to make? That the room w...What point are you trying to make? That the room was bigger? Even if the room was bigger, they put less vendors in Hall E than in Hall C & D (heh)<br /><br />2014 Vendors: 208<br /><br />2015 Vendors: 173<br /><br />17% less vendors in 12% more spaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-81760234388203626042015-09-08T13:09:02.136-05:002015-09-08T13:09:02.136-05:00What, do you think the broken water was bronycon&#...What, do you think the broken water was bronycon's fault? Think they sent someone up there to sabotage a water pipe in an effort to screw over vendors? No, that was the baltimore convention center's fault. It's not bronycon's fault their venue has shitty staffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-19894954933280731152015-09-08T11:28:59.503-05:002015-09-08T11:28:59.503-05:00Another fun fact:
Hall C & D (Vendor hall in 2...Another fun fact:<br />Hall C & D (Vendor hall in 2014) total 55K sqft. Hall E (Vendor hall in 2015) totals 62K sqft.<br />Even if you include the little 5K area it's still 2K less.<br />DO YOU EVEN MATH?<br />http://www.bccenter.org/floorplans.php?id=10Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-35235735804689699272015-09-08T04:20:14.550-05:002015-09-08T04:20:14.550-05:00Ha Ha, seems like the streetcorner merchants are m...Ha Ha, seems like the streetcorner merchants are mad cause the jew overlords are asleep more or less. good job horselords.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-52717619117541927302015-09-08T04:07:55.194-05:002015-09-08T04:07:55.194-05:00tl;dr le happy merchants outjewing each other for ...tl;dr le happy merchants outjewing each other for more shekelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-88190568006780435762015-09-08T03:23:23.041-05:002015-09-08T03:23:23.041-05:00This would never happen if I was still on con staf...This would never happen if I was still on con staff lol. Enjoy the sinking ship, fuckers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com