tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post2381227804448456240..comments2024-03-29T05:54:26.615-05:00Comments on Horse News: MLP-MSP Hotel to be demolished (UPDATE)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-18916713226764863142022-01-04T04:27:09.170-06:002022-01-04T04:27:09.170-06:00Will I need to bring my own spaghetti or will spag...Will I need to bring my own spaghetti or will spaghetti be held out on site ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-51576515117015342502016-05-03T17:44:35.497-05:002016-05-03T17:44:35.497-05:00Clearly I'm not going to change *your* mind, o...Clearly I'm not going to change *your* mind, or probably the minds of most that frequent this site and subscribe to such ideas. Fortunately there are plenty of people that don't.<br /><br />To each their own, I suppose. That offer for chat and beer is a standing one, should you ever decide to collect. I'll buy.Charlie Worthleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284547742671936783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-53007130622945917972016-05-03T17:33:00.783-05:002016-05-03T17:33:00.783-05:00Which is fine, I'm merely saying using social ...Which is fine, I'm merely saying using social media or the Internet as your resume is not only the wrong thing to do but it is a one shot to being obliterated in certain circumstances (i.e. me living in a fire at will state means my employment can be terminated for ANY reason). In fact, it's more or less paradoxical in the sense that how many people tweet their passion can come across as being toxic or dickish simply because of how people interpret things (which I try to account for in most of my endeavors).<br /><br />And what I'm trying to say (and more people may agree with) is that no matter the sum of the parts if you have a person that is a massive liability it will completely overshadow the assets they are. You're going to have to accept it's Draft-con whether you like it or not and no amount of talk is going to change people's minds.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-37681810614698139272016-05-03T17:11:41.309-05:002016-05-03T17:11:41.309-05:00I'll again have to agree to disagree. Only usi...I'll again have to agree to disagree. Only using myself as an example, I work very hard and care very much about the conventions that I contribute to, and I want my resume to reflect my successes so that if/when I want to contribute to other things I have proof to show of my skills, work ethic, and character. (Given, this approach works much better when you're not running around pissing people off, but I don't think I'm doing that. I hope.)<br /><br />I respect that your approach works well for you, but I ask you to consider that your approach might not work best for everyone else; which is only slightly relevant to my point in trying to prove that a convention is worth far more than the sum of its parts, and certainly any one single part.Charlie Worthleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284547742671936783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-8011033857391791252016-05-03T16:52:45.333-05:002016-05-03T16:52:45.333-05:00Yes, I'm suggesting convention chairs should n...Yes, I'm suggesting convention chairs should not identify themselves with a convention. I'm only familiar with furry and brony conventions doing it and in general it puts people on a pedestal (the anime and comic conventions I go to I have no idea...And they don't publish...Who is at the top of the chain).<br /><br />Every single person who attaches their name to the convention, as I've said, is considered a PR agent whether or not they like it. There's plenty of people, myself included, that because I did not bother to attach my name to a convention in that once it failed I have little to no legal liability involved with it (including debts and stuff like that). True, I never had access or involvement with those functions to begin with but I like to avoid giving people doubt, y'know?<br /><br />Which works well. The beauty about being an open book is that if a person asks me I will generally respond to it. I'm not one of those books whose pages flutter in the wind because I'm insecure (which is about the primary reason why people do such things).<br /><br />Which is not the point I'm getting at. You can have the best con but if you got a person, who is known for being a pain in the ass, being the public face people are going to look at that con in light of that regardless of how it operates. In fact, it's probably why I CAN show my face around the fandom these days.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-42132279436856657062016-05-03T16:30:27.423-05:002016-05-03T16:30:27.423-05:00"Salespeople aren't generally a part of &..."Salespeople aren't generally a part of "retail" in a direct manner"<br />"Ever heard of a car salesman?"<br /><br />That's a bit argumentative and a little condescending. Why yes, I have heard of a car salesman.<br /><br />"If it isn't "his con" he shouldn't have a need to identify himself as such." Are you suggesting that convention chairs should not identify themselves as convention chairs?<br /><br />No sarcasm - I genuinely don't know what your point is here. The most I can discern is that you feel that everyone that works on a con should be anonymous and not publicise their involvement, so that in case a person does something that you don't like for whatever reason it won't forever tarnish the name of the entire convention and negate all the other people that work on it as well as their reputations. <br /><br />I can tell that you're very dedicated to this concept since you've bragged about your own anonymity and have mentioned how involved you've been in the past and how no one knows it. That's great, but as that leaves you with a resume of exactly zero to me (not that I think you care what I think) the things you're saying carry no weight at all. I don't have any way of knowing that you've ever even been to a con (again, not that I think you care).<br /><br />Here's what I'll say. Come to MLP-MSP - or any of the other cons I'll be at this year - and introduce yourself. We'll have a beer and talk about this some more, and hopefully I can show you how MLP-MSP and the other cons I'm involved with are nothing like what you seem to think they are.Charlie Worthleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284547742671936783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-40618980001428973362016-05-03T16:15:15.840-05:002016-05-03T16:15:15.840-05:00Salespeople aren't generally a part of "r...Salespeople aren't generally a part of "retail" in a direct manner. I tend to think of that term used in things that often earn a commission or an incentive for high sales (Ever heard of a car salesman?).<br /><br />If it isn't "his con" he shouldn't have a need to identify himself as such. There is no way around that. And all I'm saying is that it's a two way street. He's adding fuel to it just by attaching his name to the convention. My point still firmly stands. If you don't want the petty insults and drama the next time (obviously as it's far gone for this one) Draft, yourself or whoever else wants to make something anew to not even tack his name publicly OUTSIDE the site.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-12554198303080983112016-05-03T16:01:43.483-05:002016-05-03T16:01:43.483-05:00You said "retail", that's how I got ...You said "retail", that's how I got to "salesperson".<br /><br />"look in the past all you want" - I'm not. I couldn't care less about old drama.<br /><br />"it's on his Twitter bio" - Right. So MLP-MSP might be "plastered" all over his or others' feeds or profiles, but not the other way around. And I of course never suggested that he wasn't involved, or even a large part. But it's hardly "his con", which is the point that we've strayed from. I'm not saying he's not involved, or a big part as a chair. But coming back to my initial complaint: "reducing situations like this down to petty insults and drama surrounding a single person are both pointless and insulting to all the rest of us."Charlie Worthleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284547742671936783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-22958200173160037162016-05-03T16:01:12.393-05:002016-05-03T16:01:12.393-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Charlie Worthleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284547742671936783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-39382411145426896912016-05-03T15:51:02.571-05:002016-05-03T15:51:02.571-05:00There is a bit of grey area in which a convention ...There is a bit of grey area in which a convention could be considered either a 'product' or a 'service' depending on how one wishes to look at it. I liken it more towards a product because admission is a tangible (but non-transferable) good. I never said salesperson, as that is pretty much the opposite end of my own experiences.<br /><br />Considering it's on his Twitter bio it far exceeds the About Us page (which I guarantee as many people read that as the Terms and Conditions to a piece of Apple software). That alone makes him a PR agent whether he likes it or not. So look in the past all you want, but as long as he and other staffers put "I'm a part of @MLPMSP" on their Twitter bio they're continually bringing up the plaster every tweet they make.<br /><br />Of course, I've had at least a half dozen roles in this fandom. I don't post them on my Twitter and I'm 84% certain no one knows what any of them are.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-17072178533284433232016-05-03T09:20:01.838-05:002016-05-03T09:20:01.838-05:00I don't see our relationship as being anything...I don't see our relationship as being anything like a salesperson/customer one, but agree to disagree, I guess.<br /><br />"if Draft's name is plastered all over this con" - His name is on the About Us page, once, along with 10 others, including mine. The way you're describing it may or may not have been the case in the past, but it's certainly not the case now. I suspect you may be letting old drama cloud your perceptions a bit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00400082179796742070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-20433307562241496922016-05-03T08:33:35.074-05:002016-05-03T08:33:35.074-05:00Just to clarify, I mean that customers mostly care...Just to clarify, I mean that customers mostly care about what they're shopping for rather than who is what and who knows what. Most of the time, job title is irrelevant.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-47956504929855535672016-05-03T08:31:03.666-05:002016-05-03T08:31:03.666-05:00In which you're dealing with a person that wou...In which you're dealing with a person that would walk off if you went 'Hi I'm Charlie and I'm Pubic Relations with MLPMSP'. I find, especially with my experience in retail, that no one really gives a shit who you are unless you know what a customer wants.<br /><br />The problem is that last paragraph is not true by any means. Remember, if Draft's name is plastered all over this con then what HN, myself and the author's wording has a more sensible weight than what you're going by. This exists with any and all projects (fandom or not) where we put people significantly above the organization.Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-36855753394123296352016-04-06T20:25:52.881-05:002016-04-06T20:25:52.881-05:00Late reply, sorry Zero. Been busy with other thing...Late reply, sorry Zero. Been busy with other things.<br /><br />Agree to disagree on the protocol of introducing yourself first. I view situations like this just like entering a conversation in person, and I believe the first thing one should do is introduce themselves so that others know why they should even bother paying further attention.<br /><br />I was never defending Draft. I was defending the con. I apologize if I didn't make that clear.<br /><br />For that matter, your responses are exactly what frustrates me. The author of this article, yourself, and others seem to be treating MLP-MSP like Draft's personal pony party, and that it would only hurt him if it were to fail. Neither of these could be farther from the truth. I just wish the author would consider the bigger (and far more important) picture, but then I guess this wouldn't be Horse News if he did.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00400082179796742070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-57462881620115955622016-04-06T20:04:24.552-05:002016-04-06T20:04:24.552-05:00"half of them left because of draft"
So..."half of them left because of draft"<br /><br />Source?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00400082179796742070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-56787957885263569412016-03-31T03:08:49.361-05:002016-03-31T03:08:49.361-05:00A lot of people helped make MLP-MSP happen. Maybe ...A lot of people helped make MLP-MSP happen. Maybe Draft helped a lot behind the scenes but when it came to AV setup, event planning, and running the con he certainly did more harm than good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-14277757811919186232016-03-31T01:13:07.492-05:002016-03-31T01:13:07.492-05:00How can you be proud of the event the team put on ...How can you be proud of the event the team put on last year when half of them left because of draft?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-61260782440680796732016-03-28T16:28:25.844-05:002016-03-28T16:28:25.844-05:00pics or it didn't happenpics or it didn't happenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-53181384217506777152016-03-28T00:22:56.055-05:002016-03-28T00:22:56.055-05:00It will be held in Final Draft's basement.It will be held in Final Draft's basement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-26158054150757067482016-03-25T16:20:51.359-05:002016-03-25T16:20:51.359-05:00I met Final Draft at a con once. He called me a ni...I met Final Draft at a con once. He called me a nigger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-15495631809901894742016-03-25T13:41:21.044-05:002016-03-25T13:41:21.044-05:00Why do you think he involves himself with other co...Why do you think he involves himself with other conventions, though? I'll tell you why- he does it feed his overly self inflated ego, to feel like he's worth more than he actually is in a fandom that he feels owes him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-73193544451252464592016-03-25T13:12:28.708-05:002016-03-25T13:12:28.708-05:00Charlie - 95% of the remark was directed towards D...Charlie - 95% of the remark was directed towards Draft and others who tend to be known and ruin the reputation of certain things just because 'they exist within them'. The other 5% was a jab at the fact that I've always found it a bit jarring to introduce oneself first rather than last...As doing the former feels like one is talking above (not down) the others. It leaves for a rather odd impression of people.<br /><br />The relevance is that you shouldn't be here to defend Draft. Just post what you need to (Why conventions don't have their one account in doing so is well beyond me) and don't worry about the others say. Once in defensive mode there really is no easy way out.<br /><br />Personally, I've dealt with Draft both inside and outside pony conventions and I can understand why people feel the way they do. Also, Anon 08:16 explained it better than I could.<br /><br />tl;dr if he is a part of the con and no one knows it there wouldn't be a reason to call it an EFN con (which EQLA also was, hence the relation).Prismatic Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164497266410350385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-39210769279374608212016-03-25T11:20:42.671-05:002016-03-25T11:20:42.671-05:00This sort of think kinda reminds me of a certain s...This sort of think kinda reminds me of a certain season 5 episode! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-51594897924015866932016-03-25T09:00:31.610-05:002016-03-25T09:00:31.610-05:00"and because it pissed me off"
https://..."and because it pissed me off"<br /><br />https://media.giphy.com/media/ghzujcOsNE9RS/giphy.gifAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-972990476219054386.post-2262822006455259612016-03-25T08:16:55.295-05:002016-03-25T08:16:55.295-05:00You shouldn't take things personal that are no...You shouldn't take things personal that are not directly targeting you man.<br /><br />I believe the "name and rank" comment is about Draft and other assholes in the fandom that got too close to the show staff and have a modicum of influence do to popularity, or association with convention leads. These people often carry an attitude that they are above everyone else in the community, should be recognized as such and have no fears flaunting their standing, sometimes even gleefully using their influence not only for their benefit, but to attack their critics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com